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Is Artisan's Advantage making things worse?
Posted: Oct 29th 2009 12:24am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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This just happened to me, and I am confused. Carbuncle Server, Mid Day, Firesday, Last Quarter Moon (57%). Cooking level 83, trying to make a stack of Pumpkin Pies (85 cap). I have been making these things in my sleep since I hit 81 cooking about 2 weeks ago (no Artisan's Advantage). Oh, and I almost never get synth support--only use that if trying something more than 5 levels out, since I have full HQ staff set. Had Vulcan's staff equipped, facing NW (fire on compass), and I have mild fire aura in mog house:

first try: Break, lost maple sugar, selbina milk, water, bird egg (4/8 items)
second try: Break, lost Pie Dough, Ogre Pumpkin, Selbina Milk (3/8 items)
Third try: Success, made 4 pies
Fourth try: Success, made 4 pies
Fifth try: Break, lost all 8 mats

This happened after loosing all my mats on 2 out of 4 synths on Yagudo Drinks on the Darksday just before this--with a Pluto's staff equipped and facing North. Mind you, this is what...a 60 cap synth item?

So, with signet and Artisan's Advantage Kupo Power active, sitting in my mog house in town... I am loosing 50% of my mats!!??? I do better than that without any assistance or kupo power in effect...

And this isn't the first time this has happened. I just haven't been documenting it specifically. I went back and pulled the breaks off the log as I'm typing this.

I don't seem to have as much trouble synthing in my mog house in the past by the way.

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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 12:35am | Edited: Oct 29th 2009 12:36am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Oh, and I almost never get synth support


Artisan's Advantage doesn't do anything without imagery support.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 1:36am by Fynlar
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 1:02am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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There's also no evidence whatsoever that wearing a staff affects your synthing.

Day of the week? Strongly arguable, due to guild holidays. Weather? Probable - I know people who drag along expensive light/dark synths to Limbus for the weather.

But the gear you have on, except for things that +1 your skill? Unproven, and any effect that has been "proven" has been statistically negligible.

Beside, "seasonal crafting" is the current fad! :P Mayhaps your problem was trying to make delicious autumnal food Pumpkin Pies in the middle of Vanadiel June.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 1:15am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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I think you may have missed the point of the question.

If that is true, then why does it appear to get worse when the Kupo Power is present and NO IMAGERY SUPPORT.

Here's another example of the wierdness:

I started on both Marron Glace and Pumpkin Pies at 81, no support, no kupo power, maybe got 3 breaks on Marron Glace out of 4 stacks of Chestnuts (24 synths). I lost most of a stack of chestnuts to get only 2 yesterday on darksday, end of full moon. It was 6 breaks and 2 success because I had 4 dark crystals left which I used on the yag drinks tonight. So, I've gone from loosing 6 out of 24 on 3 breaks on that one item while I was between 5 and 3 levels under the cap with no support and no kupo powers (25% loss), to loosing 8 of 12 on the same item while still 3 levels under the cap, no support and Kupo Powers present (75% on chestnuts, and a couple juices and sugars). Couple that with the increase losses on the other items while my methods remain constant:

I craft these things on days aligned to the crystal and equip my staff accordingly as well. I've been doing same staff, same day for these synths.
(been trying to force skillups off Sole Sushi).

The only things different are the moon phase (which, I know is a factor), and the presence of the Kupo Power--which, by your account should not be affecting me. I am in game most every day, 4 hours or more and craft on a lot of different moon phases. I have noticed a major spike in losses with Kupo up vs without. I am just wondering if I am the only one seeing this, or maybe I need to cram a new lucky rabbit's foot up my toon's but because the one I've had the last 3 1/2 years has finally worn out...

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sh*t's random. Really, nothing can be known about crafting past the basics of what it takes to craft and how the basic crafting system works. You could get parses showing Artisan's Advantage giving a 5% advantage, 10% advantage, 20% disadvantage and etc. Same could also be done for every crafting myth out there (which you appear to follow).
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I think you may have missed the point of the question.


You didn't even have imagery. Artisan's Advantage was doing nothing for you. It's not a factor here.

It's not just me saying that you need imagery for it to work. The game description of the kupower actually did not specify at first that you needed imagery to get its effects; SE themselves eventually stated as such later on.

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If that is true, then why does it appear to get worse when the Kupo Power is present and NO IMAGERY SUPPORT.


Welcome to the randomness that is crafting.

Honestly, if you're below the skill cap for something and you're not getting imagery support, it should really come as no surprise that you'd get results like what you did. Haven't you ever read any stories of people that are 51+ over the cap occasionally getting similar crap results?


And yeah, I didn't notice the HQ staff thing until someone pointed it out, but they don't have any effect on crafting. I hope you didn't just buy them only for crafting.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 2:58am | Edited: Oct 29th 2009 3:02am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Had Vulcan's staff equipped, facing NW (fire on compass)
With over 6k synths recorded per crystal, I'm saying for the last <censored>ing time, equipment and direction will NOT help you in any way with synthing, skill up break rate HQ or otherwise.

Random numbers. Let the myths die.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 4:02am by thatdamnelf
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Could you give me a google docs link to your spreadsheet?
Posted: Oct 29th 2009 8:54am | Edited: Oct 29th 2009 8:55am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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OP: sample size, look it up.

Thatdamnedelf wrote:
With over 6k synths recorded per crystal, I'm saying for the last fucking time, equipment and direction will NOT help you in any way with synthing, skill up break rate HQ or otherwise.

Random numbers. Let the myths die.


Yes, please.

There are 2 factors in crafting: your skill level and a dice roll. That's it.

Random idiot #157823 wrote:
Could you give me a google docs link to your spreadsheet?


Maybe he can, but he doesn't have to. You're the one that has to prove your retarded myths, we don't have to disprove them.



Edited, Oct 29th 2009 9:55am by NotASock
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It's almost like the OP is suggesting that material loss due to breakage is increasing when Artisan's Advantage is chosen, and that you have to get image support and activate Artisan's Advantage just to bring up rate of loss to what it normally is. But you would have to be pretty paranoid to believe that.

Losing half of your materials due to a break sounds normal to me. OP, I don't think you're getting unlucky right now. I think you just got really lucky before, which caused your expectations of what is normal to be set too high.
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Posted: Nov 6th 2009 5:22pm | Edited: Nov 6th 2009 5:23pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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I had 3 full breaks in a row on a synth that I normally don't break when not under the Artisan Advantage. It just happens from time to time. Random can sometimes bite you on the ass.

Edited, Nov 6th 2009 4:30pm by Chocoblo
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